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| Equipment Protein Skimmers, Calicium Reactors, RO Units, Ozone, Controllers, Overflows, Pumps, Powerheads, UV, Heaters, Chillers, Lighting, Sumps |
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06-11-2008, 09:12 PM
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 My Sump design would it work ????  My Sump design would it work ???? any problems ...........
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas.  |
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06-11-2008, 10:11 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? Here ya go  I would personally have liked to have a fuge in there but since you already have to HOB I guess it is no longer necessary in your situation. Just moves some stuff around to make more space for LR.
__________________ -Logan 14g BioCube 1.5g Pico Tank Survivor of a reef tank crash... and I'm still here, ya I'm addicted :) Your Tank doesn't tell you when your finished Your Bank account tells you when your done :) |
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06-11-2008, 10:20 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? My improved design PYRO 
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-11-2008, 10:32 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? FIXED PYRO!!! 
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-11-2008, 10:33 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? Very nice 
__________________ -Logan 14g BioCube 1.5g Pico Tank Survivor of a reef tank crash... and I'm still here, ya I'm addicted :) Your Tank doesn't tell you when your finished Your Bank account tells you when your done :) |
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06-12-2008, 02:21 AM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? if you were to have 2 pumps one flowing into the sump and one back to the display, both pumps should pump the same amount of water right? |
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06-12-2008, 06:54 AM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? Never pump water into a sump, that's gravity's job. Gravity should take the water into the sump with a pump pumping it back in.
__________________ -Logan 14g BioCube 1.5g Pico Tank Survivor of a reef tank crash... and I'm still here, ya I'm addicted :) Your Tank doesn't tell you when your finished Your Bank account tells you when your done :) |
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06-12-2008, 10:22 AM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? i added an extra baffel to the design i am going to start working with it on saturday but i think i am going to use plastic baffels is that fine ?? 
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-12-2008, 12:04 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? Plastic? If you mean acrylic then be careful. Acrylic and glass expand differently and you could potentially break your sump. This generally happens when people wedge the acrylic between the glass (i.e don't give it room to expand). So if you give the acrylic space on each side you should be ok. Use the silicone to hold the baffles in place not the baffles themselves.
__________________ -Logan 14g BioCube 1.5g Pico Tank Survivor of a reef tank crash... and I'm still here, ya I'm addicted :) Your Tank doesn't tell you when your finished Your Bank account tells you when your done :) |
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06-12-2008, 12:06 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? I like your second idean, but the only thing I would do differently is the equipment and LR part. Swich those around so the water goes to the skimmer etc first, then the LR. This way when pods are on the LR they wont get sucked up by the skimmer.
__________________ Revelation 20:15 I have cheato for sale....look in the marketplace! |
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06-12-2008, 12:09 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? pyro how can i give it space to expand if i do that then the water goes through the space
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. Last edited by ianizaguirre; 06-12-2008 at 12:13 PM. |
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06-12-2008, 12:09 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? and Ebar which design is that that you like oo yea and ill switch it the equitment with the rocks... Look ebar do you like this design 
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. Last edited by ianizaguirre; 06-12-2008 at 12:13 PM. |
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06-12-2008, 12:15 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? Ian you need to silicone your baffles into place. When you do this give the acrylic about 1/8 to 1/4 in on each side as room to expand. I have seen it done where people put there bead on silicon onto the sump wall. They then push the baffle up to the bead of silicone. That way you acrylic can expand without breaking the glass and you are sure it won't go anywhere. Also be sure to use aquarium approved silicone.
__________________ -Logan 14g BioCube 1.5g Pico Tank Survivor of a reef tank crash... and I'm still here, ya I'm addicted :) Your Tank doesn't tell you when your finished Your Bank account tells you when your done :) |
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06-12-2008, 12:22 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? i mean what if i just use plastic not Acrylic from home depot cause that is were i am going to go so whatever i find there i am going to use as a baffel.
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-12-2008, 12:22 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? yup, that looks perfect
__________________ Revelation 20:15 I have cheato for sale....look in the marketplace! |
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06-12-2008, 04:10 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? i mean what if i just use plastic not Acrylic from home depot cause that is were i am going to go so whatever i find there i am going to use as a baffel.
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-12-2008, 06:05 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? HD sells acrylic sheets
__________________ -Logan 14g BioCube 1.5g Pico Tank Survivor of a reef tank crash... and I'm still here, ya I'm addicted :) Your Tank doesn't tell you when your finished Your Bank account tells you when your done :) |
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06-25-2008, 09:23 AM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? ok i have one new question would i need this baffel?? like is it pointless ??? 
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-25-2008, 11:14 AM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? Ian - Take a look closely at the sump design and water height that Pyro posted at the beginning of this thread. The purpose of baffles is to control the water height in different areas of the sump and to minimize/trap air bubbles from getting pumped back up into the display tank. In your sump design, you're not leaving room for excess water to drain back down into the sump in a power failure and the over-under-over baffle design won't work to trap air bubbles if the water is going over all three. In your last post, where you are asking if the baffle is necessary, that baffle will control the water level in the area where the water is coming into the sump and the last set of baffles will determine the water level in the middle area. Since you aren't planning on having macroalgae or a skimmer in the first area, you would be able to get rid of that baffle as long as you don't have anything (like rock rubble) that will slide under the first under baffle and imped the water flow under the baffle, although by removing the baffle, the first and second areas will always have the same water level. Additionally, I see that you reduced the size of your sump from 20 gallons to 5 gallons. You will not want to do this since a 5 gallon sump will be too small to handle the water that will drain back to the sump during a power outage, along with providing room for your pump and anything else.
__________________ Current Tanks: 220 Gal Reef, 10 Gal FW, 6 Gal FW Last edited by pogodzib; 06-25-2008 at 11:16 AM. |
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06-25-2008, 11:47 AM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? no no no it says 15 gallons not 5 gallons and i already bought the 20 gallon high so i am using the 20 gallon high and yes i DID leave alot of room for water to drain back into my sump. and i will keep that baffel cuz i did not relize it contolled the water height . and one question do you think my design ( with no baffels taken out) would eliminate the bubbles ?? and you never said if it was OK that it leaks a little in the bottom ????
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-25-2008, 01:06 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? Yes, the over-under-over should eliminate the air bubbles unless you have a really high flow rate through the sump and yes, you'll be fine if the baffle leaks a little bit. One thing I would do is make the last baffle before the return pump shorter so that the water going over that baffle will have a minimal drop to the water in the return pump area. The larger the drop, the greater the chance of pumping air bubbles back up into the main DT.
__________________ Current Tanks: 220 Gal Reef, 10 Gal FW, 6 Gal FW |
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06-25-2008, 01:57 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? umm OOPS i already made the part the on that you said should be shorter BUT i am going to get a hot pad and put it in there to reduce vibration and that would rasie the return pump more off the ground so the water would get sucked up sooner since its getting sucked up higher sorta makeing a lesser drop .. right ??? oo and the water that would return back to my sump during the power outage would just be the water that was left in the tubes going to and from the tank right?? so the shorter the distance the less amount of water would end up in your sump during in outage right ?
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-25-2008, 03:16 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? The drop into the last section will still be fine if it is taller. You don't want the pump to be too far off the bottom because it will make the chances of the pump running dry more likely. Raising the water level in that section will help to reduce the water fall height. The water in the drain and return lines will drain back into the sump, along with any water in the display tank (DT) that is above the return line outlet inside of the DT. In other words, if your outlet is at the surface of the water level in your DT, no water from the DT will drain back down, but if your outlet is 1" under the DT water level, 1" of water will drain out of the DT and down to the sump. If you want your DT outlet even lower, you can, but you'll want to drill a hole in the return line just below the water level in your DT so that air can get in during a power outage so you don't drain too much water out of the DT and cause a flood.
__________________ Current Tanks: 220 Gal Reef, 10 Gal FW, 6 Gal FW |
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06-25-2008, 05:30 PM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? WAIT WAIT ????? how can you get the the return line out of the water fully so no water drains back like why wouldent everyone do that please explain????
__________________ 40 gallon Reef with a 20 gallon high sump- One Yellow Wrasse, 2 Chromis, Hermits, Snails, one Sand Sifting Tiger Starfish, one fighting conch, and Corals- one frogs spawn coral, one Green striped and purple mushroom rock, one orange mushroom frag, one hybrid mushroom rock, purple glove xenia, Tan xienia, 2 differnt types of green star polyps, Two Cynarina corals, , one Fox coarl, one button polyp rock , one yellow scroll coral, one Big Orange Montipora capricornis, one 2 mouthed Orange Ricordea Mushroom, Two Blue Maxima clams , One Red Scolly, One Big Yellow Trumpet Coral, and some yellow Zoas. |
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06-26-2008, 08:27 AM
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| Re: My Sump design would it work ???? The return line (the line from the return pump in the sump to the main display tank) is having the water forced up through the line. If your return line is connected to PVC piping, you can use elbows, bends, etc. so that the discharge point is anywhere you want within the tank, including above the water line. My previous tank has the outlets discharging slightly above the water line this way, but I don't have any pics to show you. The only harm with having it above the water line is that it can add air bubbles into the tank, which is why most people have it just below the water line. At the same time though, the water will drain out of the DT to whatever level the lowest line (return and drain) is at in the DT. So, as long as your return line is at the same height or higher than the drain line, raising it anymore won't change how much water drains back to the sump.
__________________ Current Tanks: 220 Gal Reef, 10 Gal FW, 6 Gal FW |
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