[patrick1234]

Since I have found that alot of ppl are taking stuff they are finding on google and what not and trusting it i fig id make some money off this since im so
edumakated you all will have a really nice tank if you just give me all of your money




im just playing with you all but come on stop trusting random stuff you find online
and trust ppl that know what they are doing.

just was thinking about all the conflicting stuff going around

you have 100000000000 ways to do this but just because it has worked for jim down the street dose not mean it will work for you or 10000000000 other ppl

[stacef]

Are you saying this about my cement tank?

[patrick1234]

what no im saying it to the ppl that tell ppl you are doing somthing way wrong and go off on them becuse the just lisend to some one down the street frome them or somthing

[stacef]

Ohhh Ok! I hear ya there!

[jimw369]

Originally Posted by patrick1234

Since I have found that alot of ppl are taking stuff they are finding on google and what not and trusting it i fig id make some money off this since im so
edumakated you all will have a really nice tank if you just give me all of your money




im just playing with you all but come on stop trusting random stuff you find online
and trust ppl that know what they are doing.
just was thinking about all the conflicting stuff going around

you have 100000000000 ways to do this but just because it has worked for jim down the street dose not mean it will work for you or 10000000000 other ppl

How do you determine who those people are? We are on a public forum with individuals from all parts of the country most of whom we will never meet. What articles are good ones? Everything on google cant be the truth either. Confused

[patrick1234]

and that is what im saying
(Everything on google cant be the truth either) and just because it is on a form dose not make it true also
im just saying its one thang to debate its another to say im right your wrong because i have been doing this for 25000 years and you have onley been doing it for 7

[jimw369]

Originally Posted by patrick1234

Since I have found that alot of ppl are taking stuff they are finding on google and what not and trusting it i fig id make some money off this since im so
edumakated you all will have a really nice tank if you just give me all of your money




im just playing with you all but come on stop trusting random stuff you find online
and trust ppl that know what they are doing.
just was thinking about all the conflicting stuff going around

you have 100000000000 ways to do this but just because it has worked for jim down the street dose not mean it will work for you or 10000000000 other ppl

Who can I trust and how can I tell what is fact and what is fiction when reading and researching?

Still confused.

[patrick1234]

its more not somthing you can or can not trust its more what is working for you and what is not working for you


((((ill give you a little idea say bio balls and bio wheels...
ppl on this site call them nitrate factorys and even one persone posted this
I agree completely. The reason why people say to have LR instead of bioballs is A.) Bioballs become nitrate factories if detritus gets built up in them and starts to decay. Keeping them clean will minimize this and B.) Live Rock reduces nitrates by containing anerobic bacteria (bacteria that only lives in areas with no oxygen) deep inside the LR. Bioballs cannot reduce nitrates.))))))


But as well all know the same thang that a under gravel filter dose is bio balls which is provide freshley oxygenated water to the bactera so it can thrive in return take nitrates and make them in to nitrites..

now is he wrong? no he is not wrong just miss understanding how they work but because of this he went and told some one not go with them just because he dose not under stand them

[jvharding]

I am not sure if the Rant in related to something on RB or something Googled? If it is to do with Our Forum. Then the Purpose of the Forum is to debate methods, and too correct those who have bad information. If some one chooses to disagree then that is fine we can not all agree on everything thats Life! If someone is giving out bad information on this site on a regular basis. Then please let the Moderators know so it can be addressed.

[rlcline76]

There is nothing wrong with Google. I use Google several times a day to get to the sites that I want...given there are just a few sites that I consult and trust for helping myself or someone else out. Many of us have favorite sites.

I do not like looking at forums for serious advice. It might give me an idea of what I need to look into, but that is about it. Even when it comes to moderators...you have to doublecheck and then triple check.

I don't care who someone chooses to listen to, whether it is a hobbyist, the LFS guy or a marine biologist...you have to be able to check things out and think for yourself.

If you are questioning someone's knowledge on this site, it is more than acceptable to ask them for their source.

[e_baer]

Originally Posted by rlcline76

If you are questioning someone's knowledge on this site, it is more than acceptable to ask them for their source.

That is why lately I have been trying to give links to the places where I got information from.

I think this would be a great practice for everyone!

[rlcline76]

Originally Posted by e_baer

That is why lately I have been trying to give links to the places where I got information from.

I think this would be a great practice for everyone!

Absolutely!
Even if a moderator says something...check it. When I was in research mode weeks ago, I found threads from moderators from different sites throwing out statistics, getting all technical and closing the threads so no one could comment outside of a PM. Guess what? I didn't find one who listed their sources. Without those sources, a hobbyist cannot determine reliabilty. Should we all be throwing footnotes into our threads? Adding a bibliography...well, no. But I am not following your lead just because.

[pogodzib]

Originally Posted by rlcline76

Even when it comes to moderators...you have to doublecheck and then triple check.

Ouch. Thanks for the confidence you have in me Becky. LOL.

Actually, I do agree. NOBODY is an expert in every area and sometimes even the most knowledgeable person uses a bad source.

[rlcline76]

Hey I used to be a mod, too, but I learn everyday!

[pogodzib]

I was going to say that now that you are no longer a mod, you can trust what the mods say, but I decided to be nice.

[rlcline76]

Yeah, you guys think you are so cute...
lol

[rlcline76]

I oughtta ask Ryan if my position is still open for when I am ready to go on a rampage. lol

[pogodzib]

It's been filled by ---- ummmm ---- d**n, it's still open for you.

[rlcline76]

It would be just like a recurring nightmare. lol

[patrick1234]

its more like i findl that ppl google stuff all day and read stuff all day and not even have a tank up for 6 months, or never have even used bioballs or some other thing they read about but then turn around and say it is bad because so and so ppl told me so and then most of the time its just other ppl in the same place just reading stuff that told them this info

i do not see any wrong with google.
i use google. i dont see any wrong with reading books i read all the time.
but i do see its wrong to have never used somthing or even been around somthing and then tell some one somthing about it just becuse you read it.

Its like this i have never used a acua c skimer but if i google it i can read alot of stuff about them.

now say some one comes on this site and gose im looking at the acua c skimer what do you guys and doctor think about it? and i come in with its the best skimer ever and it dose this and it dose that but i have never used it. im just going off what i have read.
i hope this helps under stand this rant a little bit more

[pogodzib]

For the most part I agree. I've had my run ins with people saying that certain ways of doing things are the best and only way since it worked for them for a month or two and I've made some of them really mad since I wanted them to post stuff based on long-term success and not 1-2 month success. Although, there are many other newbies that don't have long term success, which in my mind are very knowledgeable and I feel do a great job at helping others out. Also, when we google things, for the most part, everyone will be pulling many of the same articles. If one of those articles is bogus and everyone is quoting it, it can mess many people's tanks up. I always try to base my answers first off on what I have learned from my own personal experiences, secondly from what I have monitored from other local reef keepers tanks, and thirdly, from what I have read, but only if it is from a source that I fully trust (of which there are way more that I don't trust than there is that I do trust).

[rlcline76]

Well, I am not good with equipment, but I can say that these things happen in all aspects of the hobby.

As far as bioballs, pure and simple: proper maintenance. I think about how much time I spent maintaing my tanks and the easier things are the better. I do not have to have bioballs to know how they work.

This is not to put you on the defensive. I think it is an excellent idea to know what you are getting into before you are knee deep in it. Like in the case of Mucci, he reads, he asks, he tries to contribute. It's all part of the process. I don't want to discourage anyone from trying to get in there to help...even if it is through suggested reading.

Think about it. I have gobies and 20 gallon tanks. Someone could have a sick surgeonfish and need help in the forum I lurk. I do not have surgeonfish, and I don't want one...but I can pretty much tell you where to get that info. And, of course, I have heard the argument "You cannot comment because you do not have this or that fish...", not necessarily to me, but it is out there. I can tell you this much, if that same person knew what they were looking for they wouldn't be asking now would they?

It's all hand in hand. Practice is good, independent research is good.

(shrug)

[rlcline76]

I've had my run ins with people saying that certain ways of doing things are the best and only way since it worked for them for a month or two and I've made some of them really mad since I wanted them to post stuff based on long-term success and not 1-2 month success.

Oh yes, that too! It takes time, grasshoppers.

[patrick1234]

i just look at it as. say you have been driving for 25 years but dose that mean you know how to work on a car engine?

but if you read a little. you can learn a little about how to fix it. now dose that make you a master mechanic?

[rlcline76]

Nope.

But you would be hard up to find someone who knows every little thing about the saltwater hobby, from each species of fish to every piece of equipment.

In the end, we all listen a little to those we deem trustworthy and help out everyone else as best as we can along the way.

I highly doubt that every piece of advice you have given has been 100%, Patrick. Does that mean that you should not be allowed to make a comment? This would be a bare forum!