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Old 01-31-2007, 08:37 PM
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Ok what is the deal I have read the how to… from this sight read saltwater for dummies (the only one they had at the library) The New Marine Aquarium and talked to two local aquarium specialty stores some say that I must have a sump system to have a reef tank others say a canister will work as long as the water is moving I‘ll be ok what is the deal? I have a 75 gal tank and was going to filter with a RENA FilStar XP3 a Protein Skimmers (I havn’t decided yet) and a powerhead or two. Will this work or should I save for the sump system???:confused: Thanks for the help
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Old 01-31-2007, 09:59 PM
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I would definitely go with a sump, here is one that you might like


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Old 01-31-2007, 10:00 PM
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I think it has a great design
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Old 02-01-2007, 11:57 AM
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Thanks but what do I do about not having a hole in the tank???
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Old 02-01-2007, 01:43 PM
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you would have to have an overflow box also known as a siphon overflow.
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Old 02-01-2007, 04:55 PM
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Depending on what you plan on keeping, you may want to stay away from anything that uses Bio-Balls... They're OK for a fish only system, but they'll be nitrate factories which you don't want on a reef system... As far as not having a drilled tank, you can use some HOB overflows as stated...


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Old 02-02-2007, 02:34 PM
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I still disagree with the nitrate factory portion of the bio-ball thing! Use a prefilter and you won't have that issue, but that is my oppinion on the matter
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Old 02-02-2007, 05:27 PM
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here is a web site that might help you out
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=304
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i would say the sump but what do i know, i'm still a noob... the better filtration tho, the less water changes (and u know they're a pain in the ass)... the overflow box is a llittle bit of an eyesore but well worth it... as for the bio balls, i've heard a ton for it and a ton against it for a reef tank, i guess it's all about independent experiences... i do know that the more filtration media (i.e. bio balls, spoges, or foam) the more u run the risk of higher nitrates... but with a good cleaner crew, good bacteria and watching food consumption this shouldn't be a big problem, and if it is, take the dam balls out...
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What is the purpose od a sump, and how do i hook it up. tank will not be drilled
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A sump is basically just a place to externalize all the equipment for your tank. The water gets into the sump with an overflow siphon box (if you're not drilling) and is returned with a return pump.
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Old 02-08-2007, 08:32 PM
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i ran a canister for two years with no problems. i was very observant on parameters, and water changes, but that should be a given. i finally want to a sump just for looks, no exposed skimmer, heaters etc....
best bet is go with what your comfy with first, then move forward as you go.
all in all both were nice but now i like the sump for maintance reasons but be careful when you make the change
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Old 02-10-2007, 02:57 PM
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You could probably get away with using a canister, but I think you would be happier in the long run with a sump in your size of tank.
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that is correct i have a fluval 404 and a well sized protein skimmer turning my tank over. Its been successfull for years
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Old 02-15-2007, 06:44 PM
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Dont mind me but what you have soonerfn will work.BUT go with 3 power head's and clean that canister filter every week along with weekly water change's and you'll be fine..My friend has 2 of these on his 125 reef..The only thing i dont like is the tiny air bubble's it spit's out....
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:07 PM
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Thanks for all the input from all I got the RENA FilStar XP3 for only 100.00 so went with this just to get started (I plan to make a sump sys later). Wanted to save my cash for a good lighting system should get that next week (Current USA Metal Halide Outer Orbit Fixtures)
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:13 PM
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You will be ok with that filter..From what i hear that lighting is very nice..
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Old 02-17-2007, 01:45 AM
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Good lighting choice . The XP3 system isn't bad for filtration either, but I'm sure you will want to upgrade later on....
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Please give lifereef.com a good look for your sump needs, this is good stuff and will work with just about any system, best of luck!
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