[Riermann]

I have been at this for awhile and been doing pretty good. I started a new tank, its cycled.... Everything good, PH, NITRATE, NITRITE, AMM, SALT, TEMP. Everthing I have keeps dying i have lost a Powder Brown, Yellow tang, Maroon and Percula Colwn, Scallob, damcels, lion, everything. I have ick... beat it and they keep dying today i bought a Blue Tang and if this dies i am going to kill someone!!! lol . uggghhh Please help. oh and it is a 75 gallon. (all thease fish were not in ther at the same time, this was over a period of time) pleas help!.

[spanko]

So you note a 45 and 10 gallon salt tank. Everything going good in those? Been up a long time? trying to get a sense of what your experience is. Tell us more about the 75. How long has it been up? what is in it for sand, rocks, mechanical filtration, lighting etc.? How do you acclimate the fish?

[Riermann]

Other tanks are fine, Live sand, 2 over flow box filters, florestent ficture, it has been set up for about 8 months now. I aclimate by the bag in for temp. then drip for about an hour.

[jimw369]

Originally Posted by Riermann

. Not according to the rest of your post

Everything Good? Params need to be stated as well as tank set up and what you are testing for.

i have lost a Powder Brown, Yellow tang, Maroon and Percula Colwn, Scallob, damcels, lion, everything.

Doesnt sound like you beat it. What was the treatment you used for this?

Why would you buy another fish not knowing where your problems are?

. uggghhh Please help. oh and it is a 75 gallon. (all thease fish were not in ther at the same time, this was over a period of time) pleas help!.

Im sorry....what you say makes no sense at all.

I think we would like to help but need some better info. Hang in there.

[spanko]

Originally Posted by Riermann

Other tanks are fine, Live sand, 2 over flow box filters, florestent ficture, it has been set up for about 8 months now. I aclimate by the bag in for temp. then drip for about an hour.

Sound okay so far. Let's talk a little about the Ich. You say you have beat it. What does that mean in your mind. To completely rid a tank of Ich you must run the tank fallow (without fish which are the host for Ich) for a period of about 6 weeks. That means no fish for 6 weeks. this will interrupt the life cycle of the parasite and kill it off. Then you can start to introduce fish back to the system. If an new fish gets Ich again then you are screwed and the tank needs to go fallow again for 6 weeks. Tell me is this how you beat it?

[Riermann]

ok, i guess the ick may not be completely gone, but no other fish had it. I raised temp to 81, and used Garlic Extreme.

[spanko]

Okay now we are getting some where. Please be open to the fact that you cannot get rid of Ich without going fallow for 6 weeks. If anything less than that you have not killed the Ich in your tank. It can survive only to infect the next fish you put in.

If I have not been clear on this please ask me to explain more. 6 weeks fallow is needed. Then we have to evaluate your acclimation process. Also if you do not quarantine you fish before putting them into your display you are taking the chance on reintroducing Ich and messing it up again.

Raising the temp and using garlic is not a cure.

[unclejed]

I will suggest that when you post and are asking for help or for ideas, please include all basic information. Basic information should include; all water parameters, size of tank and complete set up meaning, filter type (sump, canister etc.), lighting (what type and total output) and if you have fish only with live rock and if you keep corals. Also how long the tank has been up. I know some of this is your bio but many bios don't contain this info. How many times has someone posted and then there is this list of postings addressing the above. If you give the most info you can to give us a good profile, it will cut down on response time and mis-diagnosis or answers that don't fit and we will all benefit. Also, are you using ro or ro/di water?

[Marine1]

May I just add that some of the fish you are buying (of the tang species) are the most susceptible to ich. After the 6 week period of tank going fallow, I would recommend a better starter fish, something more hardy than a tang. Good beginner fish are hawkfish, damsels, basslets, certain clownfish (preferably captive-bred), blennies, gobies, cardinalfish, banded lizardfish, maybe a small puffer like a valentini or white spotted, or maybe even a foxface.

I would recommend STAYING AWAY from all angelfish, all butterflyfish, Pipefish, Seahorses, Long-nosed Filefish, Blue Ribbon Eels, Stonefish, and Moorish Idols. Mandarin fish should also be avoided in non-reef tanks (they are hard to feed) and tangs for a short time - add them later when tank is WELL established.

Its tough to stay away from all those great looking fish, but it will save a lot of headache and cash flying out of your wallet.

Good luck and hang in there!!!

[Phayes]

I have no sympathy for a person who continually sentences fish to their death, one by one, when they clearly know there is a problem in their tank. If you had a neighbor that hated dogs and left open bottles of antifreeze out in the open, would you introduce dog after dog, knowing that the reason why they keep dying is blatently obvious?

Do some research before you kill any more fish. If you had saltwater ich, I would expect you to do a little bit of research before you immediately thought that the problem was fixed and decided to introduce some of the most ich-susceptible fish to your aquarium.

Sad. Really sad.

Some hobbies are better left for certain individuals.

/end rant.

[jimw369]

Originally Posted by Phayes

I have no sympathy for a person who continually sentences fish to their death, one by one, when they clearly know there is a problem in their tank. If you had a neighbor that hated dogs and left open bottles of antifreeze out in the open, would you introduce dog after dog, knowing that the reason why they keep dying is blatently obvious?

Do some research before you kill any more fish. If you had saltwater ich, I would expect you to do a little bit of research before you immediately thought that the problem was fixed and decided to introduce some of the most ich-susceptible fish to your aquarium.

Sad. Really sad.

Some hobbies are better left for certain individuals.

/end rant.

I agree with you 100% Chad but heres the deal. The hobby is becoming more popular everyday and most people being people do not do themselves and these animals just service with proper research and education. This is the main reason most people leave the hobby before their tank sees even one year.

You and I are not going to change this fact. It is what it is. I get upset sometimes too and go off on a rant about this stuff.

In the end are you gonna give advice with the hope that some one uses it? OR just take care of your own tank and say to $#%@ with everybody elses. I can list 5 names of respected people here at RB that get discouraged and feel the same way at times to the point some have even left.

Why dont you continue to post advice and when I get off on a rant remind me of this post!

[Hosser]

I believe if the problem were blatantly obvious he would have fixed. While I think jumping someone who came here for advice is immature, childish and so smacking of " Im invincible behind this keyboard " , I do think the issue should have been better investigated without using the fish. The circumstances surrounding these fish wasnt brought to consideration and who knows maybe he took advice elsewhere first and was being told to do something differant and followed this other advice.
Just a note to anyone who wants to "help" or give advice, if we are begginers or vets, berating, demeaning self indulged rants do nothing but make us want to leave this site. If you truly believe you have the answers or know-how then instead of making somoene feel like they murdered your mom, try thinking that they came here for a reason for help, go ahead though and push others who make mistakes away and you will have nothing but a "I sure told him" and be able to pat yourself on the back.
If you are losing that many fish, please do find the problem before introducing anymore fish, have they all come from the same place? Could there be a problem with the supplier by any chance?

[pyromaniac398]

I have noticed that in between everyones ranting and raving that you haven't posted your exact water parameters. Please do so, as I think that they might be the problem. Also how old is the system?

[bri74]

Originally Posted by pyromaniac398

I have noticed that in between everyones ranting and raving that you haven't posted your exact water parameters. Please do so, as I think that they might be the problem. Also how old is the system?

he probably gave up and left the site, damn a guy comes here for some advice and boom. WTF

[spanko]

Kind of hard to help a person when he tells you he beat the Ich in his tank, then when you press him a little he answers with

ok, i guess the ick may not be completely gone, but no other fish had it. I raised temp to 81, and used Garlic Extreme.

I don't think anyone got into his knickers until after that. Oh well, I hope he comes back.

[bri74]

ya guess your right. I shouldnt have popped off.

[geekdafied]

A recent discovery with Ich is it also affects INVERTS too. Which explains why people can go months without fish and put a new fish in and it gets ich. If you have any inverts that are segmented such as shrimp or crabs, toss them, they are carriers of ich.

Garlic Extreme kills free swimming Ich and helps keep secondary bacteria infection down HOWEVER it does not kill EGGS. Eggs can take anywhere from 4-10 days to hatch. If you raise your tank temp, only thing that does is speed up the life cycle, it DOES NOT kill it.

Quit throwing money down the drain and buy a Molly(they are brackish fish). Mollies are easily converted to saltwater, perfect starter fish simply becuase you can buy 6 babies for a dollar(here you can anyways). They are slow swimmers so once you know it survived for atleast a month to 6 weeks without any problems, then go for something else more expensive.

As for Tangs, IMO they should be the VERY LAST fish introduced to an aquarium because they are extremely territorial and often kill new tank mates. Powder blues and Yellow tangs are notorious for this.

Ive been doing this for longer then most people on this board and help a few members out on here on a regular basis consulting. I am also a coral farmer. As for fish and coral diseases and parasites, I've seen and dealt with just about all of them and only lost a battle with dinoflagelettes because I was treating for the wrong thing and when I learned it was dino's, it was too late.

[bri74]

Originally Posted by geekdafied

A recent discovery with Ich is it also affects INVERTS too. Which explains why people can go months without fish and put a new fish in and it gets ich. If you have any inverts that are segmented such as shrimp or crabs, toss them, they are carriers of ich.

Garlic Extreme kills free swimming Ich and helps keep secondary bacteria infection down HOWEVER it does not kill EGGS. Eggs can take anywhere from 4-10 days to hatch. If you raise your tank temp, only thing that does is speed up the life cycle, it DOES NOT kill it.

Quit throwing money down the drain and buy a Molly(they are brackish fish). Mollies are easily converted to saltwater, perfect starter fish simply becuase you can buy 6 babies for a dollar(here you can anyways). They are slow swimmers so once you know it survived for atleast a month to 6 weeks without any problems, then go for something else more expensive.

As for Tangs, IMO they should be the VERY LAST fish introduced to an aquarium because they are extremely territorial and often kill new tank mates. Powder blues and Yellow tangs are notorious for this.

Ive been doing this for longer then most people on this board and help a few members out on here on a regular basis consulting. I am also a coral farmer. As for fish and coral diseases and parasites, I've seen and dealt with just about all of them and only lost a battle with dinoflagelettes because I was treating for the wrong thing and when I learned it was dino's, it was too late.

Info from people like this is why I keep coming back here. Thats some good input thanks

[geekdafied]

Originally Posted by bri74

Info from people like this is why I keep coming back here. Thats some good input thanks

I rarily post on here because I was ran off by some people who thought they knew it all when all they were really what we call "Read Repeaters". They read something somewhere and type it out to people as if they had the actual experience but really were only newbs theirself. So I only post here when I think I should. I use another forum a lot(not saying where, hahaha!)

[bri74]

ya I always try to say "in my experience" but alot of the time here that doesnt seem to matter. I too use another forum lol

[e_baer]

Originally Posted by geekdafied

I rarily post on here because I was ran off by some people who thought they knew it all when all they were really what we call "Read Repeaters". They read something somewhere and type it out to people as if they had the actual experience but really were only newbs theirself. So I only post here when I think I should. I use another forum a lot(not saying where, hahaha!)

These forums are great. I am also part of another forum and its nice to share info you get between them.

[DEWAYNE]

I would not leave this site if someone went off on me like that, it is not what were here for. the problem I have is this phayes guy seems to have the perfect saltwater sysytem, bet he has never had a fish die (BS), PHAYES wake tha hell up, we don't live in your world. I have an question for you " are all canadians as rude as you are?" I would get more than a year under my belt before even thinking of posting some (BS) like that again. Those of you who were trying to help this guy,THANK YOU>