[jimw369]

Anyone out there hearing about countries shutting down the export of livestock lately?

[ianizaguirre]

no have not herd of that. hope the shops going good

[aquasalt]

Just Hawaii putting limits on the number of yellow tangs and some other exotic fish that may be exported.

[Ganrin]

US Fish and Wildlife shut down Tonga imports a week or so ago, and Hawaii still has the legislation in the works.

Countries that are not CITES members have to supply scientific studies/management plans to CITES in order to export to them(CITES members), Tonga didnt file so US stopped thier imports.

Link to thread on RB talking about it, http://www.reefbuilders.com/forums/r...a-no-more.html my post there has a link to a thread where Walt Smith posted what the regulations involved are.

[jimw369]

Thanks David I will check it out.

You always seem to up on this stuff.

[WILLIAM1]

All I have heard is that there wont be anymore fish from the red sea JUST HEARSAY

[jimw369]

Originally Posted by WILLIAM1

All I have heard is that there wont be anymore fish from the red sea JUST HEARSAY

I heard some company (the name escapes me) just bought several distributors and has all the rights to anything coming from the Red Sea.

Either way Im hearing these things it cant be a good sign. Im thinking aquaculture might be coming more prevalent sooner than we think.

[pyromaniac398]

My thoughts exactly Jim aquaculture is going to def. be more important in the coming years. One of my LFS has set up 2 600 gallon tanks just for aquaculture because things are starting to skyrocket in prices they say. Lol at work it's all we seems to talk about, but then again aquaculture is what we do

[WILLIAM1]

I have seen a price rise in livestock....

[Ganrin]

In the early 90s, when I was working at an lfs/saltwater wholesaler, we were wondering if we were going to be able to get stuff in and doing propagation tanks for stuff like leathers and xenia, so concerns about the availability of livestock arent anything new in the hobby.

[Jason L]

down here in South Fl stores are still getting new stuff every Tues and Thurs.Guess we are lucky down here.if you ever need anything check out coralreeffarms.com they are my local place and ship.Great place and prices.What you see is what you get from them!

[eldalote2]

maybe it will encourage people and LFS to buy more aquacultured livestock????

[darkclamz]

true that elda, maybe it's actually better that we will be getting more aquacultured livestock.

dark

[Mr_X]

hi. i don't know too much about this subject, except that a friend of mine sells corals and fish for a living, and he claims he can get anything. he tells me that all these rumors are for nothing but boosting sales.

[e_baer]

Mr_X, I agree with you. I think most of this stuff is only rumors that are beeing spread throught the hobby. Yes, Hawaii is putting a limit on the amount of animals that can be caught, and perhaps tonga will not import to the US, but I dont think that will be too long. They will probably fill out the paperwork and all and get their act together. But then again, aquaculture will definatley become more prevelent in this hobby I would say just int the next 5 years! I liik back to when I started this hobby only 3.5 years ago, and my cruddy LFS never sold aquaculture and now they do. The environment is paying a price because of out hobby and because we are being careless. I forget where, but somewhere I had read that if there are 100fish caught to be sold, less that 50% will make it the first shipping day either from stress, cyonide, etc. Of that 50%, only 15% will make it the next 2-3 days. Then once acclimated in the LFS water, it all dpeends on how stressed, how soon someone buys it, etc to determine if they will live or not. If you think about it, for every 5-10 fish that live, 85-90 die.....isnt that a little unacceptable? I am sure that these figures are not constant, maybe they are seasonal, but still....think about aquaculture instead!

[Ganrin]

Ive read Tonga is open again, but I dont have a link to anything official about that.

[darkclamz]

want true aquacultered livestock hit garf. they are commited to growing everything there, rumors or not. you may not be able to get a tongue coral from tham but for the most part everthing i've read from them is tank raised.

[allykay]

my LFS has had the same prices for the past 2 years. I don't know how he keeps them that way...